The Bechdel test asks a simple question: Does a work of fiction have two named female characters who talk to each other about something other than a man?

Today we talk with Sarah Kozloff, who was a film professor at Vassar College when she learned that The Lord of The Rings movies fail the Bechdel test. That inspired her to write The Nine Realms, a series of fantasy novels about a young princess who must grow up and fight her way back to the throne.

Greta talks with Sarah about the books, her career change and why she released all four novels in the same year.