Rusty Willoughby was the creative force behind the Seattle pop punk band Flop who recorded three albums in the first half of the nineties including a lost classic for Epic Records in 1993 called Whenever You're Ready. On this episode BJ is joined by old friend and biggest Rusty Willoughby fan on earth Chris Standish and together they have a great conversation with the man himself, Rusty Willoughby, about his songwriting career with Pure Joy, Flop, Llama, and solo.