We're very pleased to welcome back Karen from The Walking DeadCast and Wayne from The Packers Fan Podcast to discuss Season 2 of 'The Leftovers'.

Questions to consider:

  • What did you think of this dramatic departure in location and characters for Season 2
  • Would you want to live in Jarden/Miracle?
  • Favorite Scenes?
  • Favorite Character?
  • How about the brilliant music score, and repeated themes, in both seasons?
  • Is Patti really gone?
  • Predictions for Season 3?
  • Who is David Burton?
  • What’s the connection to Australia?
  • Virgil (Shoot Patti) vs. Kevin Sr. (throw Patti down the well), how are Virgil and Kevin Sr. related?
  • Predictions for Season 3?

“While worldwide flooding is expected, we should be taking off before the rain begins,” “In the event of cabin decompression, place your oxygen masks over your mouths as we all prepare to take our last breaths. Please be sure to keep your seatbelt fastened, as everything you know and love will soon be gone. Flight Attendants: Please prepare for Final Departure”


Rem’s Points:

  1. Jarden seems to have become a beneficiary and a hostage to the Departure (They derive a big benefit from Tourism, but are now a walled off park where people tend to repeat even mundane events, thinking they’re preventing another departure)

(When the prisoner is released, the jailer also goes free)


Also, if Evi’s disappearance is really a departure, would that mean that Jarden was no longer saved?


  1. Bold moves, the intro at Axis Munde, introducing the Murphy’s in a new location
  2. Foreshadowing of David Burton, Evie and the girls were secretly part of the GR
  3. Lori goes from being part of the GR to trying to destroy them
  4. Seems to be a power triad between Patti, Virgil and Kevin Sr., but who really has the power?



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Episode 1 (Axis Mundy).


  • Prehistoric pregnant women? I was looking at purpose here or just pure chance?
  • A bit 2001 with the classical music
  • Very bold move!
  • Not until the piano kicks in five minutes later do we even know that this is the leftovers
  • Evie meets Dr. good heart who has an Australian accent
  • Evie and the girls are silence in the car, one of the small signs we never realize that they're part of the guilty remnant (Great foreshadowing)
  • The Murphy family seems pretty normal at first
  • There's a cricket in the house!
  • Crack in the road is part of the tour, as is the woman in the wedding dress
  • Some dude is living at the top of the concrete tower
  • Letter for David Burton in Sydney Australia
  • We’re introduced to ‘Miracle’, Texas home of the city of Jarden, where no departures ever happened
  • Michael is selling holy water by donation
  • John goes to see Isaac, who does readings by hand print
  • John asks Isaac for a reading, but Isaac sees some bad stuff
  • Evie is in the choir, and Jordan has its own theme song
  • Girls run naked in the forest
  • John is on the fire department, and they torch Isaac's house
  • Erica goes running and digs up a bird from a box in the ground, and it is still alive
  • Michael delivers a sermon, and Matt and Mary have already come to Miracle
  • Matt's story about Mary is interrupted by the priest, weird looks abound
  • Dude brings a goat into a restaurant and cuts its throat
  • Perfect strangers cast member fakes his own departure
  • Kevin very cautiously put his hand down the drain
  • Michael goes to see the old man, and we see that miracle is walled off with security, guards and spotlights
  • Jon finds a pie at the door just as Kevin Nora and Jill arrive next-door
  • John introduces himself to Nora, gives them a pie
  • Nice barbeque
  • John thinks that Kevin is not being truthful with them
  • John was in prison for attempted murder
  • The cake comes out and Evie has a seizure
  • Earthquake in the middle of the lights, and they realize Evie is gone
  • John and Michael find the car at the quarry, walked in music playing
  • Water is drained out of the river
  • Cricket chirps

Episode 2 (A Matter of Geography)


  • This is the other side of the Garvey’s move to Jarden, focusing on Kevin, Nora and Jill
  • They’re planning to keep the baby
  • Big confessions: Kevin tells them about Patti, and walking in his sleep, Nora hires hookers,
  • Fast forward 2 months, Kevin doing laundry and Lily is crying like crazy, he’s got earbuds in!
  • Kevin and Nora go to a custody hearing, and they get offered another baby
  • ‘Where is my mind?’ is playing for Kevin
  • Fixing washer, buys shovel and digs up Patti, gets pulled over by cop intentionally and confesses about Patti
  • All this honesty seems to be really good for Jill, she visits with Tommy
  • Tommy is with Lori
  • Nora is offered 2.7 Million for her house, MIT wants to research her house because of its anomalous nature
  • MIT thinks Geography is a factor, and Nora could have departed if she was sitting at the table instead
  • Cop questions Kevin about Patti’s death, and the cop seemed very eager to close the case
  • Kevin gets his first visit from Patti
  • Kevin Sr. was released and is planning to go to Australia
  • They move to Jarden (Miracle National Park)
  • Dogs need to be quarantined
  • Kevin meets old man, who invites Kevin to come see him ‘about his situation’
  • The house they planned to rent had burned down, was it the one John burned down?
  • Nora spontaneously buys house for 3 million, Kevin is a bit stunned
  • They camp out the first night
  • The family takes possession of the house, Kevin has a fight with Patti
  • John brings the Garvey’s a pie
  • Merge into the Birthday party for John
  • Kevin flips out over a lightbulb, apologizes to Nora
  • Kevin wakes up at the river which is now drained, finds himself tied to a concrete block.  Goes to Evie’s empty car, puts hand on window. Leaves as John and Michael drive up in the truck looking for Evie. (Did they choose this spot thinking it might be a good spot for departures to happen?

Episode 3 (Off Ramp)


  • Crazy drum intro, Lori washing her car
  • Tommy has infiltrated the GR, rescues woman named Susan
  • Lori is writing a book, setting up an office and and space for people to stay
  • Tommy brings Susan to GR support group
  • Video of Holy Wayne at his beginning
  • Tommy is drinking, not doing so well
  • Lori talks to douchy landlord, he doesn’t want people staying at the office
  • GR member go to Lori’s meeting and try to intimidate them
  • News story about a guy name David Buron, resurrecting from a cave is on the TV as Tommy returns home
  • Lori arrives at office to find all their stuff out on the street and her laptop with her book is missing
  • Lori breaks into Landlord’s house, steal back the laptop, the runs over two of the GR standing on the road in front of her
  • Tommy tries to recruit the wrong woman, she blows the whistle on him (literally) and he get chained up in a truck.  Meg comes, has sex with him, and threatens to set him on fire
  • Lori buys a new dress for a meeting with a publisher
  • Tommy is very traumatized by the event
  • Susan trying to return to her normal life, but it’s not working. On the highway, she steers her vehicle into oncoming traffic, killing herself and family
  • During the meeting with the publisher, they mention a guy in Australia who believes he can’t die (David Burton?)
  • Lori attacks the publisher
  • Lori wonders why they’re failing, Tommy says it’s because they not offering people anything, so they take the Holy Wayne story and apply it to Tommy

Episode 4 (Orange Sticker)


  • Earthquake! Nora is alone and Kevin isn’t home
  • Evi’s gone, and Nora thinks the departure might have happened again
  • She faints, tries to connect to anyone, ‘did the departure happen again’?
  • Kevin comes back
  • Patti “looks like you have some explaining to do, sport’
  • Kevin tells Nora and Jill exactly what happened when he woke up in a drained river. Very refreshing to see the honesty!
  • Search party starts looking for the girls at the river, Kevin searches for his phone
  • Jill gets Michael to help fix the sink.  Romance is brewing!
  • Nora meets John’s Dad while buying Whiskey & Cigarettes (He’s like an old Danny Glover)
  • Patti helps Kevin find his phone in the drained river, tells him not to get in the truck with John
  • John takes Kevin to the motel where Isaac is staying, and John shoots Isaac. Kevin takes John back and Erica patches him up
  • Patti tell Kevin about her ex, and his ‘interests’
  • Nora has a drink with Jill, confronts Matt about Jarden, is it real?
  • Matt says Mary woke up one night!
  • Patti finally gets Kevin to talk to her (Rick Astley)
  • Tower guy asks who’s your friend? (Song from Grease “Better shape up”)
  • Michael scrapes orange sticker off their house

Episode 5 (No Room at the Inn)


  • Somewhat Matt Centric, montage of him taking care of Mary
  • Matt takes Mary on a doctor’s appointment, runners are trying to get into Miracle
  • Matt drops phone in toilet, then finds out Mary is pregnant
  • Matt stops to help people on the way back (Matt should just never stop for, or try to help anyone!)
  • Matt and Mary try to get back in, and John refuses to help them (John refuses to believe Mary woke up, miracles don’t happen in Jarden)
  • Matt and Mary have to go through the camp ordeal to try to get back into Miracle
  • Matt sees a guy in stocks
  • Nora sneaks Matt and Mary in the back of their car
  • They come upon a car accident where the two people who attacked him crashed, takes the man’s wrist band, but won’t take the kids.  They get Mary home, Matt goes back out to the camp and takes the man’s place in the stocks

Episode 6 (Lense)


  • Researcher goes to Miracle to explore the departure, goes to Evie’s house and then Nora’s house. He starts probing here with equipment and she throws him out of the yard
  • Nora throws a rock through the Murphy’s window
  • Damn Apple ringtones!
  • Nora meets guy from DSD, and he’s trying to get Erica to talk to him
  • Erica digs up another bird box, bird is dead. She puts it on a pile of dead birds
  • Nora talks to DSD guy about a new questionnaire and the nature of the departure
  • Nora asks him about ‘Lensing’, the possibility that a person could be responsible for another person’s departure
  • Erika has to patch up Dr. Goodheart, who got beat up and palm printed by John
  • Kevin left Lily in the hood of the truck, and he's starting to really lose it
  • Erica has stuff stashed away, as if she's planning to leave him
  • Nora possessed by A Demon?
  • Erica chases guy who delivers a pie to their door, she drives it back to John’s Dad’s place (What did the dad do?)
  • Nora takes Mary to see Matt, who’s out of the stocks
  • We learn that John shot the Dad at some point
  • Nora gets a call from Lori Garvey, looking for Tommy
  • At the fundraiser, Nora steals the new questionnaire from DSD guy (George Brevity)
  • Gerry the Goat man brings in a goat to slaughter, Erica calls out everyone who’d doing stuff thinking they’re preventing another departure
  • Nora takes questionnaire to Erica’s place, and applies the questions to her
  • Erica explains the bird thing (Bury a bird, wait 3 days, and if it’s alive when you open the box, make a wish and it will come true) Erica wished that her kids would be ok if she left, and the bird was alive when she opened the box) next night, Evie was gone
  • Kevin tells Nora that he’s seeing Patti, Erica throws rock through window
  • Episode ends with ‘I am a Rock’

Episode 7 (A Most Powerful Adversary)


  • Kevin wakes up to Patti telling him Nora has left with the baby
  • Jill tells Michael about Nora leaving and Kevin losing his marbles
  • Kevin tries a locksmith to remove a handcuff, doesn't go so well
  • Patty tells Kevin this weird story about a chalice (Audio)
  • Michael watches Kevin have conversation with imaginary Patty, put his bike in the truck, and gets in the truck
  • They drive to Virgil's place, and Virgil lays out the story again
  • Virgil tells Kevin how he must get rid of PattI
  • Who was Virgil's adversary?
  • Kevin drives out in the woods looking for PattI
  • Let's do battle!
  • Lori comes to the park to see Kevin, she's looking for Tommy
  • Piano version of ‘Where is my mind?’ playing
  • Kevin goes to fire hall to get handcuff removed, and John gets his handprint
  • Kevin goes and talks to Lori, she believes he must take medication and do counselling, that he's having a psychotic break
  • Kevin brings Lori back home
  • Nora calls Kevin, Jill comes home and Kevin drives off to Virgil’s place
  • Virgil gives poison to Kevin, empties the epinephrine syringe and then shoots himself. Virgil did the same with Edward, the guy on the pillar


Episode 8 (International Assassin)

There is so much in this episode, could dissect it for hours!


  • Kevin wakes up in a hotel, puts on a suit and then kills a guy broken flowers
  • There's a bird flying around the hotel
  • Virgil is the concierge
  • Is the bird flying around the same bird that Erica buried in a box?
  • Kevin saves little girl in pool, turns out to be a young Patti Levin
  • How do you's father is such a dick!
  • Virtual tells Kevin he is an international assassin, and he must assassinate Patty, who is running for President
  • Virgil says don't drink the water
  • Interesting how the closet changes to offer just one type of suit when he change his clothes
  • Kevin sees his dad on TV


  • Flowers are being delivered for Mary Jamison


  • Kevin get strapped to a chair and is questioned by Gladys, and Windex in the eyes!
  • Kevin Senior has a fire burning on the bed, is that why the fire alarm is going off for Kevin?
  • Kevin passes 100 man in a Mapleton cop uniform
  • Kevin gets patted down, agent says congratulations
  • Holy Wayne is a security gate agent for Senator Leven
  • Wayne said he felt déjà vu and remembered seeing Kevin the last time he was sitting on the toilet
  • Lots of offers for water, but Patty never touches the stuff
  • Patty says our cave collapsed about October 14
  • Kevin start shooting, Patty tries to convince him she is a double, and he shoots her anyway
  • Virtual smashes the bird with the binder
  • Virgil drank the water
  • Kevin goes back to his room, Neil has been locked out of his room and has a drink with Kevin
  • Neil tells Kevin that he's dead, and can't find a single woman to take a dump on him
  • Patty is wearing a sign that says "I need to keep my mouth shut”, Kevin takes young Patty to the well
  • There is a well in Jardin Texas


  • The music as a very surreal quality


  • The well is a conduit between the worlds
  • Jordan is dark and misty and Kevin is attacked by David Burton
  • Kevin and Patty walk to the well
  • What did David whisper to Kevin?
  • how do you seem so resigned and compliant, and says such horrible things about herself, Kevin pushes her in.
  • Kevin here's adult Patty calling for help. He tries to climb down the well and falls in with her
  • Patty tells the story about Jeopardy and making money to leave Neal. Kevin drowns Patty and is covered in rubble during earthquake
  • Kevin crawls out of his own grave, and Michael says "holy shit“

Episode 9 (Ten Thirteen)


  • This is a Meg centric episode starts with Meg having lunch with mom. She's doing a lot of Coke and mom has a heart attack
  • Meg and the boyfriend go on a tour of miracle
  • Meg goes to see Isaac the psychic
  • Meg meet EV and EV tells her and joke about the broken pencil
  • Later, Meg in the guilty remnant bored at school bus of kids and roll in a fake hand grenade
  • Meg goes to a nice house has a meeting with what appears to be the guilty remnant high Council
  • Tommy is holding a hug session, and Meg shows up for a hug
  • Tommy has a fight with Laurie leaves wakes up in a park and sees a woman abandon a dog at a playground
  • Tommy gets drunk, goes to a guilty remnant house looking for mag
  • Megan is going to miracle and brings Tommy along on a road trip
  • Megs ringtone is crickets chirping
  • Megan Tommy stop for a drink and we hear that excellent song from stir Joel Simpson
  • Tom is just completely lost here, and Meg is seemingly just toying with him
  • Meg takes Tommy to the guilty remnant compound, where an innocent guy happened onto their property, and they stone him to death!
  • We hear the song magic by Olivia Newton John, an Australian?
  • Meg goes to miracle to see the bridge leading into Jarden
  • She runs into Matt and has a conversation with him
  • She says to Matt "you're waiting for me”
  • Tommy goes into the barn open up the trailer and finds EV and her two friends

Episode 10 (I Live Here Now)


  • Third view of the girls leaving, and we finally see their members of the guilty remnant
  • Kevin and the girls see each other at the river
  • When he climbs out of his grave Michael tells Kevin he was dead for eight hours
  • Against John's wishes, Erica opens the gift, and there is a dead cricket inside. Would that remind Erica dead birds in boxes?
  • The imprint is matched to Kevin, and Jon and the officers take Kevin to the dog pound
  • Nora is taken care of Mary in the baby, earthquake happens and Mary wakes up!
  • Nora text Mary to see much out on the campground
  • Meg and Tommy are at the campground too, and Tommy is oblivious!
  • Make drives a truck and trailer to the middle of the bridge
  • Meg gets arrested and the three girls come out of the trailer
  • John confront Kevin at the dog pound, and shoots Kevin
  • John leaves the dog pound and sees EV on the bridge
  • Michael tells the true story about when he and EV were kids in the bathtub, Erica and John go to the bridge, and Erica can't seem to reach EV
  • The clock countdown to zero the guilty remnant start a march across the bridge
  • Erica says she doesn't understand, and EV says you understand, like Patty said to Kevin in season one
  • Matt and Mary start to cross the bridge, crazy camper woman steals Nora's baby
  • Tommy for the first time in a long time does a smart thing by bringing Nora and Lily to safety in the camper
  • Kevin wakes up back at the hotel, and is not pleased
  • And the hotel music has come back with him!
  • This time Kevin chooses the police officers uniform
  • Gets a phone call of a disturbance down in the lounge, sounds like the Australian voice of David Burton
  • All the audio from the karaoke soon
  • Kevin gets up and sings the song home and was transported back to the dog pound
  • Kevin is bleeding when he returns to the dog pound and makes his way through a devastated Jardin to the medical clinic where he encounters John again
  • He also gets his dog back!
  • Then the dog leaves…
  • Kevin goes to the tourist centre and finds a whole bunch of guilty remnant including Meg, and she sings the Jordan song
  • Jon is patching up Kevin, and weeps because he has no idea what is going on
  • John walks Kevin back to his place, and wonders if Erica is home
  • One more earthquake is Kevin approaches home
  • Kevin walks into his house and everyone is there