Some parents were outraged by an item they heard on Woman's Hour about grandmothers-to-be. What made them especially cross was the criticism of mums' use of phones and screens and the implication that parents were failing in their duties and not communicating with their children like in the good old days. Listener Lucy joined Jenni to share her experiences along with the parenting commentator Ellie Gibson from the Scummy Mummies podcast. What kinds of advice do they get from their elders and can it ever be welcome?