Jason Cousineau and Eric Renderking Fisk long-awaited conversation about the Netflix Documentary Series “The Sons Of Sam” by director/producer Joshua Zeman who also brought us “Cropsey” and “Killer Legends.”

Jay and Eric also try and make links between MKULTRA, Zodiac, and The Manson Family through the circumstantial connections or strange coincidences and similar locations. Could there be a connection between Dr. Sidney Gottlieb’s black-ops projects and the Satanic Cult “The ProcessProcess Church of the Final Judgment?”

Is there overlap between Maury Terry’s book “The Ultimate Evil: The Search for the Sons of Sam,” and Tom O’Neil’s “Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties?”

And how else do serial killers meet up and become collaborators besides local cult gatherings? If they can find each other so easily and work together, why can’t the local police nor FBI find them, too?

Dedicated to Carolyn in Arizona, thank you for all your support! And special thanks to Joshua Zeman and Gwen Doreen Kubberness and to the memory of Maury Terry.